There’s a flurry of conversation blowing around the microsphere of the web I inhabit—a snowstorm initiated by Lisis Blackston at Quest for Balance.
I must say I’m not shocked—that girl tells it like she sees it. (Good for you, Lisis!) I mean, geez, for a woman who has previously compared her ideal post length in words to the length of her skirt? What did you expect?
Lisis called out to us bloggers to respond to her post: Net Worth vs Self Worth: The Passion Paradox, with a post at our sites. Here’s my response to your thought-provoking post, Lisis.
Instead of spouting advice and opinions, I want to show two examples of what I think about this topic. I’ve gratefully turned my passion into my career more than once.
I want to clearly state that you can also keep your day job and put passion into it, while further pursuing other passions outside of work. Do what needs to be done to put food on the table—I certainly have gone this route more than a few times!
I don’t believe there’s one right or wrong way—I respect everyone’s decisions. Each person needs to do what feels right to him or her.
I’ve really enjoyed my jobs. All of them. I infused passion into my jobs as well as my off hours when I had to! Also know I’ve thrown in the “passion towel” many times, too. But, when I’ve set up my booger board (i.e., ideas board), a few things stuck along the way.
And no, I’m not a snake-oil salesperson, I promise. I’ll just tell you my experience and you can take from it what you want. Remember, I’m all about people’s stories, so here’s a bit about mine—to show you there’s possibility in building a successful AND passionate career, if that’s what you’re into.
I’ll focus on two examples of how I managed this. And, remember, my definition of the material aspect of success is me being able to acquire shelter, food, clothing, and the bare necessities. I am not materialistic. I have what my husband calls a, “low burn rate.” I think this made all the difference for my passion pursuits.
Exhibit A:
I want to be a scientist—I’m passionate about the body, how the body functions, and how one goes about setting up experiments to further the understanding of the body.
Step 1:
Join military to help pay for school.
Step 2:
Get good grades.
Step 3:
Volunteer and work at various part-time jobs as much as possible to make sure that’s what I want to do.
Step 4:
Apply for grad school, graduate from university.
Step 5:
Begin advanced training at graduate school.
Step 6:
Continue to eat beans and rice to save money so I can continue my studies as a post-doctoral fellow making ‘peanuts’ for a salary while I honed my skills as a scientist.
Step 7:
After twelve years (undergrad/grad school + post-doc), land my first job as a scientist.
There’s no easy way around it. It just takes that long if one wants to have a lot of employment options as a scientist.
Was it a lot of effort? Hell yeah.
Was it work? I don’t think, to this day, I’d call it work. I felt like a kid in a candy store.Were there awful days? Yes.
Were there days I only slept one or two hours a day? Yes.Would I do it over? In a heartbeat.
OK, now you might be cocking your head to one side with an eyebrow raised. “That’s not what we’re talking about, Lori! I want to be self-employed! I want…. [fill in the blank].”
OK, I’ll give you another example. This was a highly successful business I started based purely on passion—literally by my own two hands.
Exhibit B:
I want to work for myself, set my own schedule, and be the master of my time. I’m still passionate about the body, and how the body functions but want to be closer to helping people, first-hand. Massage therapy seems to be a possible match.
Step 1:
Get deep-tissue massage to help me heal from an Achilles tendon tear. Yes, this is perfect!
Step 2:
Get as much information as possible about what is required (time, money, etc.).
Step 3:
Realize and accept there will be a ton of effort ahead, again.
Step 4:
Keep my day job while I start night/weekend school.
Step 5:
Graduate with the most credits one can accrue and the highest level of massage therapist available (HHP = Holistic Health Practitioner).
Step 6:
Keep my day job while I see clients at night and on weekends to begin building my practice.
Step 7:
I can no longer grow my evening/weekend practice because I’ve run out of hours in the week. Quit my day job after 2+ years of training and practice building!
There’s no easy way around it. It just takes persistence, time, preparation, and planning.
Was it a lot of effort? Hell yeah.
Was it work? I don’t think, to this day, I’d call it work. I felt like a kid in a candy store.Were there awful days? Yes.
Were there days I only slept one or two hours a day? Yes.Would I do it over? In a heartbeat.
I think the key is being willing to accept the consequences of your actions and to be realistic. I kept my day job while I trained and built a practice until I knew I could support myself with my new career. I was realistic and kept my expectations aligned with the field. I learned how to build my practice and how handle all aspects of the business.
Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Even a well-defined program (HHP) took over two years for me to finish, and with that I needed to develop the confidence and experience to charge people for my service. When did we become such softies? Effort is not the enemy. In fact, work is not the enemy, either.
There will always be snake-oil pushers. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Plan, educate yourself, and persist. If you love it, do it. But don’t be upset if the first year or three or eleven you’re eating only beans and rice to get where you want to be. What’s it worth to you?
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Well, if I didn’t know you were a scientist before, I would now! Your explanation was methodical and easy to follow.
I love how you expanded your field, and expanded into your field, step-by-step.
Hi Hayden,
Yeah, it’s that easy, science in seven steps! What a wild ride that was…
I realize that about myself more and more. If I just bite off reasonable chunks, over time, I get where I want to be.
I’d love to hear about how your path to where you are today, too. I think you ROCK!
Hi Lori – This is my first visit; I clicked over from Lisis’ post and absolutely love the way you frame this question. In your personal stories, the part that stands out for me is how you took the time and effort to educate yourself, to become the best you could be at your passions. You took responsibility in the real world for making your dreams happen, rather than waiting around in a fantasy world for magic. So a round of applause for you! It took me some time to grasp this in my own life, and I’ve had my moments of railing against hard work. But I got my act together eventually. It took five years to get my graduate degree while working full-time, but I don’t regret it for a moment. It took three years of juggling my business and a “regular” job before I could quit the job. And now 10 years later, I’m still educating myself. I wrote about that last month, and I sometimes worry that people don’t understand how important it is to get really good at what we do.
.-= Patty – Why Not Start Now?´s last blog ..The Ritual of Return =-.
Hi Patty,
Welcome to my site and thanks for taking the time to leave me with your thoughts!
I am a true believer in learning via the stories and experiences of other people, as opposed to reading formulas or bullet points for success. And, to be honest, I much more enjoy reading about other people’s experiences. (Also why I started my weekend Front Porch series.) I think we can take from them what works for us (or not). You know? Maybe I just don’t like being told what to do, too. (ha ha)
I also think this is something that was drilled into me as a kid – taking responsibility for my future and my income, too. My parents were great role-models for this (still operating a small family farm, actually).
Thanks for saying what you said here; I really appreciate your words, Patty.
And GOOD FOR YOU and congratulations for being able to finish your degree while working. It is certainly a ton of work, but it sounds like you’re enjoying it, too. And I agree, I never stop learning – I read constantly about new things, and if anything, the more I learn the more I realize I don’t know.
Again, thanks for your kind comment, Patty.
It’s good that you were able to turn your passion into work you loved, not just once, but twice! That in itself is remarkable. But the fact that you did it in tow different, very demanding fields is amazing beyond belief. Truly, thou art an incredible woman!
I think it’s important to note that in both cases, you have proven what David Cain wrote on Raptitude about this very topic: Passion is only half the battle. You have to forge that passion into something that people are willing to pay money for.
In your case, people are willing to pay for the work of scientists and massage therapists, and so you were able to turn them into profitable endeavors.
I also think it;s equally important to note that you described a lot of hard work that went into following your passions. Being passionate alone wasn’t enough…you had to work hard and make sacrifices.
The problem that I have (and that I think Lisis has) are the people who tell you that the ONLY thing you need is passion…which simply isn’t true. Passion is important, yes, but it’s nothing without the hard work part of the equation.
Jay,
I think you are very gifted at synthesizing information. No, you’re off the charts, actually. I bet you always ace those college exam-style reading comprehension tests, right?
No, in all seriousness, you (and David) have great points about forging passion into something people will pay money for. I think that’s my main issue, there are so many things I’m passionate about – it doesn’t seem that hard to pick something ‘fun’ that will also bring in the green back. I can remember enjoying scooping ditches for my dad back on the farm. I love hard work, sweating, and solving problems.
So, yes, I agree with you and Lisis. Passion alone will probably not, in most cases, pay the landlord. I can’t just walk outside my home, stand under a tree, and be passionate about money falling down from the branches.
Of course, I haven’t tried that approach yet, do you think it will work?
Thanks for your comment here, Jay, you know I love it when you visit JBN!
Shoot! I have… it didn’t work. I also planted a bunch of “money tree” seeds and guess what? It’s not real money. They are stupid little pods that look like coins! False advertising, I tell ‘ya!
I’m laughing out loud right now…just an FYI…
Dammit, Jay! You’ve taken the words right out of my fingertips… again.
I was going to say the same thing, Lori. You have provided two beautiful examples of precisely the level-headed approach David was alluding to in his post. He said what we NEED to do, and you showed us how it’s done.
Step One: Be passionate about something people VALUE (and are, therefore, willing to pay for).
Step Two: Work your arse off for as long as it takes… years, decades, whatever.
Bonus: If you are truly passionate about that valuable skill, it won’t really FEEL like work (even though, by all reasonable standards, putting a lot of time and effort into making something profitable = work).
I do believe this will have huge practical applications for the armies of people out there looking to create work they are passionate about.
I’d like to find a way to do what I’m passionate about (homeschool my son and help others for free), while still paying my bills… which is why I’m the prime target for snake oilers and alchemists. I’m a dreamer, not a doer.
Nonetheless, I am SO thankful you have added your side to this conversation, and will gladly include your link in the list. I’ve identified at least three parties contributing to this discussion: practical workers, idealist dreamers, and life coaches (many of them legit), and all sides are needed.
Thanks!!
.-= Lisis´s last blog ..Net Worth vs Self Worth: The Passion Paradox =-.
Hi Lisis,
To be honest, I had some very big revelations after reading your post and the posts linked from your site.
There are certainly varied groups and takes on this topic (as you and Jay so well defined! You smarties!).
To be honest, it never really occurred to me that there could be many people who truly don’t LIKE hard work and don’t ENJOY the challenge of finding ways to pay the bills. For me, I actually have come to realize that I think I’m passionate about finding ways (interesting ways) to pay the bills – for both me and for others I’ve helped get businesses up and running.
My husband likes to joke that my ideal job is finding new jobs. I guess I’m a bit of a wanderer, too.
Your post had a pretty big impact in me, Lisis. It widened my mind and gave me a better understanding of some of the sources of angst out there, and how I can be more understanding and helpful for others.
Lisis, I respect you very much for raising this topic and for speaking your truth.
You are awesome!
~xo
Thanks, Lo! You remind me so much of Jeff sometimes. I’ve told him the same thing… his job should be finding new jobs for himself or for others.
He’s also got a superhuman work ethic… like, NEVER misses work (even if he hates his job and is sick), NEVER produces sloppy work, and always puts 100% of his effort into anything he does. This, I believe is what makes him a super athlete too.
I thought, by marrying him, I might acquire some of these traits by osmosis, but… it didn’t work. We both spend every day wondering in stupefied amazement, “How can you LIVE like this?!”
But, he and you both, add a whole new dimension to my life that wouldn’t otherwise be there. Imagine! People LOVING hard work!!
OMG, Lisis, it sounds like Jeff and I were separated at birth! I totally get it!!!
And yeah, I think this “trait” drove me to aspire to be a first-class athlete, too. (Until Ms. MS got involved, anyway, and thwarted my plans to beat Lance Armstorng in the next Tour – ha).
I’ll get Ms. MS, my pretty, I swear on it!
He also tore his achilles (fyi). You may really BE the same person!
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Lori:
Thanks for sharing examples of how you turned passion into a career…it is inspiring to read about this. I think you hit the nail on the head about all the hard work it takes…regardless of what passion or what path you take. Lisis is so right about all the books and the promises out there.
Gary Vaynerchuk (the passionate wine expert) has a book called “Crush It! Cash in on Your Passion,” which I have read. He talks about the opportunity, through all kinds of emerging tools such as blogging, Twitter, Facebook, etc, that we have to start our own business.
If you think about it: just 10 years ago a small company would have to buy lots of ads and hire a PR staff to promote their company or product. Today, all of us can do this with little or no cost. So we seem to have more opportunity than ever.
BUT, and I like that Gary V. says this…it will take MASSIVE amount of work. He doesn’t sugarcoat this. For any “expert” out there who promises that it will be easy…my BS meter will start buzzing really loud.
Thanks for another great post…it is filled with some major wisdom!
.-= Tim´s last blog ..The Magic of Showing Up =-.
Tim, I totally agree with you. One thing I love about Gary V. is that he makes no bones about it: if you want it, you’ve gotta work your butt off for it. At least he’s honest and telling it like it is!
Hi Tim,
Lisis scooped me (but then again, Lisis tends to live in my head these days, it is quite an honor, actually)! (ha)
I also appreciate that you said something very positive here: that it takes little or no cost to get up and running (via the internet, anyway).
You know, I actually think that’s part of the problem. It really doesn’t take much planning or forethought to start up an internet-based biz. There’s no “hurdle” to overcome. There’s no extra “thing” to make people think twice, develop a business plan, or truly consider what’s at stake or required to succeed. For $9 you get a domain name and can get hosted for $10/mo. Who wouldn’t try it on for size?
Just food for thought…
Thanks for your thoughts, Tim. I know of Gary V. (from you, actually) and respect him quite a lot. He says it like it is.
Keep that BS meter buzzing, Tim, and go out there and make it happen! I got your back!
~xo
Hi Lori,
What an amazing story. Good things don’t always come easy, and it can be easy to drift from the path. Sometimes we drift because our feet get the wandering bug and sometimes gale-force winds blow us off the path.
Having a path is the key, though.
All of your hard work does pay off in the end.
George
.-= George Angus´s last blog ..Writers, Buy This Book! =-.
Hi George,
In all honesty, I am happy for the person who figures out how to live his or her dream life with little or no effort (work, whatever word I should use there…). I’ve also seen my share of young adults receive big inheritances, and I’ve watched as it destroys their lives.
Can me unenlightened, call me crazy, but I think having goals in life and a path to “somewhere” gives a many people purpose and healthy, good stress. That’s the way we evolved, why fight it?
So, yes, I absolutely agree. I like to think I’m just laying tracks in the right direction, and someday, when I’m taking my last breath, I’ll like where I’ve been – while laying the tracks.
Thanks for your comments here, George!
P.S. I received my Beginning Writer’s Answer Book yesterday. Yay! I love it, thanks for the tip!
Hi Lori!
Great story/post about – to me it was – attitude! You looked at the hard work aspect of getting where you wanted to be and didn’t whine about it, you did it! And it sounds like you had passion/attitude as your constant companion – perfect! (No wonder you did NANO – yay for you, that great go-for-it spirit!)
Hi Suzen,
Like I told Patty, I think I definitely got this from my parents. Whining was never aloud, that’s for sure!
You’re such a great cheerleader, Suzen! I want to have you over to my place, hang out, and have you boost me when times aren’t so great. I just love your attitude, your spice for life, and your comments always are infused with such positivity.
Now, if I could just figure out how to live with or defeat this MS crap – I’ll have figured out the biggest challenge in my life thus far.
One day at a time…one day at a time… This: I will do!
Aren’t you the sweetest thing! I’d hang out with you anytime, anywhere! As for cheerleading, inspiring/motivating and spreading some love/joy around (even if it takes my slightly irreverent sense of humor to do it!) well, it’s just me in a nutshell – emphasis on nut!
.-= suzen´s last blog ..Consenting to Feel Icky =-.
There seriously isn’t much else I can add to what has already been said except maybe a formula: Passion + education + hard work + tenacity + providing value = fulfiling, meaningful career/purpose/business + money. How’s THAT for a formula scientist girl?!
Great examples of the formula in action Lori. xxx
.-= Sami – Life, Laughs & Lemmings´s last blog ..Daisy List #55. Make a Cupcake Stack =-.
Hey Sami,
That is an excellent formula – you smartie pants!! Where were you when I needed help solving Fourier Transforms?
I love how you broke that down into the essential parts of the equation. That’s deep!
You’re another girl that’s all about action, Sami. LOVE IT!
~xo
Hey, Lolita! I just had another thought on this ever-evolving issue of liking work vs not liking work.
I realized that I don’t mind spending time and effort on something that makes me, or the world, better. I worked hard to earn my degrees (in business, even), and my pilot’s license; I work hard to make sure Hunter gets a great education at home… I spend time and effort helping others feel better, and doing candle art, and writing posts, and sorting 10,000+ LEGOs, and all sorts of things.
It isn’t the labor itself that bothers me, if it’s a labor of love. For me the issue is “selling” my labor of love for a price. Do you know what I mean? I love projects, and I throw myself into them with reckless abandon and passionate glee… but if I get PAID for them, it makes me feel cheap, instead of valued.
I can do a job (like dig ditches) for money, but I cringe at the thought of “selling” my passion.
Kinda psycho, huh? I haven’t really thought this through… it just came to me this afternoon when I started feeling “lazy” for not liking work, but realized I’m not really lazy at all. Maybe I just have a weird aversion to making money for doing what I love.
Anyway… thought I’d throw it out there.
Girl, you SAID IT!!!
I know, I know, you totally kick ass! I’m glad you see this!! Here’s my thoughts on your most recent breakthrough…
When I was in massage therapy school – exactly what you’re saying had to be pounded out of our heads! As you’d suspect, most of us there were there because we LOVE massage and LOVE helping people. Why would we ask anyone to pay us to do something we loved??? (I totally get it!!!)
We had entire classes on how we view our relationship to money and earning an income through massage. That it is OK to ask for payment and that, most people, WANT to pay you (us) for helping them.
The alternative was to at least barter – if someone really wanted to pay me and I didn’t feel *right* about it because of their financial situation, but they wanted to repay me somehow, I’d suggest making me dinner, or exchanging services (I received many of bartered haircuts, massages, etc. because of this).
Lisis, I think this is another HUGE topic and very valid — our relationship with money. Case in point, I LOVE YOUR CANDLE art and was more than willing to bust out he greenback to get me some!
I could go on an on about this, but maybe I’ll save it for another post someday soon! Suffice it to say, it literally took a couple of years for me to get comfortable with charging people. But, it’s OK, girl, it’s OK!
Excellent point! You’re a peach!
I’d just like to say that I’d be happy to bust out some green for Lisis’ candle art, too. That woman rocks the wax!
.-= Jay Schryer´s last blog ..Paying It Forward =-.
Lori,
Great post, nicely structured, with clear examples that illustrate your message… And finally, the message is excellent.
All the best!
Boris
Thanks, Boris,
I’m glad you think my message is excellent!
Thanks for taking the time to leave your comment with me here at Jane Be Nimble.
Have a great weekend!!
~Lori
I love how you progressed towards a career in research, as my oldest is about to start on the same path.
Since he was tiny he’s always loved science; we still tease him about his favorite make-believe game when he was little: Science Man! (“What are you doing, Jakey?” “Playing SCIENCE MAN!”)
Now he’s applying for ROTC scholarships in hopes of covering costs should he get into Duke or Vanderbilt. Cross your fingers!
In my actions and words I hope I’ve made the message clear to my boys that they should follow their passions, pragmatically: Aim for your goal, find a tenable path to walk, and then put your heart into it.
Hi Katie,
Thanks for taking the time to add your thoughts here!
I can remember wanting to be a scientist at a young age, too. Well, either that or I just enjoyed making my own potions out of dirt, fertilizer, and cow manure.
(I was definitely a weird kid.)
That’s great your son is working towards his goal. As I look back now, it was all about the journey – and not so much the destination. I know that sound completely cliche, but it is so true.
With that in mind, I wish him (and you) and peaceful and AWESOME journey where ever your paths lead.
Thumbs up!
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